In the real world, hunters can find the .30-30 loaded with projectiles between 125 grains and 170 grains, and the .35 Rem. Lyman mold #350319. Ohio and southern Michigan are just two examples of areas where the shotgun slug has been replaced by straight-walled cartridges like the .45-70 Government, .444 Marlin and, more recently, the .450 Bushmaster. Now, in this comparison, I will freely admit that the .35 Remington is not legal for those areas for which the 350 Legend was designed, as the .35 Remington is a bottle-necked cartridge, but there has been quite a bit of rumbling among those hunters who appreciate the short to mid-range cartridges, about whether or not the switch to the new cartridge is worthwhile. These bullets weigh 171 grains with a .348 caliber gas Savage Arms has announced the newest model in its series of straight-pull rifles, the Impulse Driven Hunter. Remington introduced the .35 about 10 years later in 1906 alongside their Model 8 semi-automatic rifle. from a 20" barrel. In the deer camp mix of Savage 99s, Marlin 336s and a selection of Winchesters, many cartridges were represented, including some rarities like the .348 Winchester, but the main rivals were the .30-30 Winchester and the .35 Remington. I love a good underdog story (not to mention a less common cartridge), and I was hoping to be able to justify giving the nod to the .35 Rem. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. In the years since, the .35 Rem. and the head diameter is .380". Originally loaded with a 160-grain bullet, today 150- and 170-grain loads are the most popular, but ammunition loaded with bullets as light as 125 grains and as heavy as 190 grains is available. From 100 yards it was tracked with 1861 foot-pounds of awesome power. Seller: GUNNER308 . The .30-30 is among the most popular small-bore sporting cartridges ever produced and, shortly after its introduction, Winchester, Savage, Marlin, and Remington were offering lever-action, bolt-action, rolling-block, and single-shot rifles. Mag. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. Versatility Even when using the standard factory loads, the .35 Remington is an outstanding round for use on medium sized game such as whitetail deer, feral hogs, and black bear at short ranges. [1], The 835mm cartridge of the Ribeyrolles M1918 was based on the .351 SL. Hornadys LEVERevolution pushes the performance up a notch with a 200-grain pointed bullet at 2225 f.p.s. The Creedmoor is the hottest cartridge on the planet. Sadly, I cant find a single major gunmaker chambering this cartridge today. Mag. Remington made great efforts to promote the power of the .35 Remington by featuring the cartridge, along with their revolutionary new semi-automatic rifle, in many advertisements during the first half of the 20th Century. They truly were ahead of their time, as they were short magnums back when being a short magnum wasnt cool. Yet, that bore diameter produces some of the best hunting cartridges available. History [ edit] Winchester introduced the .351 SL in the Winchester Model 1907 self-loading rifle as a replacement for the Winchester Model 1905 and the .35 SL. cartridge Winchester chambered in the Model 1894. Cartridge overall length is 1.90". Realistically, the maximum effective range for the .35 Remington for most shooters is 200 yards. Hunters like how it hits hard and makes a big hole. Because the Ruger #1 will use pointed bullets, there are more suitable in .35 caliber than .348. The .351 Winchester SL cartridge had but one loading, a 180-gr. 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The heavy, slow moving bullets deliver bone crushing power and do not produce large amounts of ruined, blood shot meat that high velocity cartridges do. Of course, not all .35-caliber cartridges approach greatness. The Winchester 351 self-loading rifle is amazing, and unique enough to add true value to your gun colle. The new 350 Legend has the benefit of modern engineering, and the fact that it wasnt designed specifically for a tubular magazine. In a modern bolt-action rifle, hand loaders can achieve velocities of 2,400 fps with a 200-grain bullet, making the .35 Rem. Americas Other Levergun by Glen E. Fryxell, The Great Model 8 & 81 by Richard Jones,Bullet Frontal Area List, by Chuck Hawks, andtheLyman 50th Edition(p309-310) andHornady 10th Edition(p682-683) reloading manuals were used as references for this article. of energy with a 7.5-pound rifle, according to Chuck Hawks recoil table. and .351" JSP bullets. Richard Mann was born and raised in West Virginia and has hunted from the Montana mountains to the green hills of Africa. Developed in the days before ballistic coefficient was a talking point at gun counters, these cartridges tend to use wide, stubby bullets that cant maintain velocity at extended ranges. In rifle cartridges, we usually take the safe route and .30-caliber has emerged as the American shooters choice. The longevity of both cartridges speaks to their efficacy on game, and their compatibility with short, light carbines makes them popular among hunters in thick brush. with a similar 180-grain bullet. The result was the .350 Legend. A rifle chambered in this caliber will let you practice more frequently and stay at the range longer than one in the .35 Rem. We sell ammunition by the box and bulk ammo in case quantities. The .358 Win. Using a 180 grain JSP bullet, Lyman data shows a starting clearly more powerful than the .30-30. load of 17.0 grains of IMR 4227 for a MV of 1400 fps. The straight-wall, rimless design requires that the cartridge headspaces off of the case mouthmuch like a .45 ACP or 9mm Lugerbut the use of spitzer bullets certainly gives an advantage out beyond the 100-yard mark. starting load is also 17.0 grains and the MV 1658 fps. The .35 Winchester (colloquially .35 Win) cartridge was created in 1903 by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company for use in the Winchester Model 1895 lever-action rifle, and was also available in the bolt action Remington-Lee, [1] or the Model E-10 Factory Sporter Ross Rifle in Canada. The .35 Rem., by contrast, can be much more difficult to find. The '06 has been the big-game king forever. The .35 Remington's story is a bit different. Winchester action. Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen. The .30-30 only produces about 10 foot-pounds (ft.-lbs.) Long and short if it is under 150 yards there's very little difference in killing power between the 35 Rem and 308 Win. hits a little harder, but only clocks in at 13 ft.-lbs. There seem to be fewer choices each year, and thats a shame. Deadshot Boxed Combo Shooting Bag - Unfilled. On those gray, moody November days when I am feeling blue I take my Remington Model 141 pump-action rifle in .35 Rem. Even when using loads on the upper end of the performance envelope for the cartridge, the .35 Remington still has a relatively slow velocity and low ballistic coefficient. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. has far better knockddown power than the .30-30 under any conditions and at any range.. Note: A longer version of this article can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. Mag. Along with the rifle, they introduced four new rimless cartridges: the .25 Remington, the .30 Remington, the .32 Remington, and the .35 Remington. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. According to the 45th Edition of the Lyman is a classic Army brat. A very small number of Winchesters legendary bolt-action pre-64 Model 70 rifles were manufactured in .35 Remington as well. If you shoot a .35 Remington, I see no reason whatsoever to stop doing so, just make sure you keep an ample supply of whatever load your rifle likes. has "far better knockddown power than the .30-30 under any conditions and at any range." However, historians are conflicted on the subject and there are several different stories about what rifle Hamer actually used. However, they are high pressure loads and should only be used in modern firearms, such as the Marlin 336, that are in good condition. If I were a Midwest hunter, Id dive on top of the 350 Legend, as it gives what I consider to be the most bang for the buck. On the other hand, the hardest hitting 35 Remington load is the 220-grain Heavy load from Buffalo Bore. The original load of the cartridge propelled a 200 grain, .35 caliber, bullet at just under 2,100 feet per second. Chambered in everything from the 22 Long Rifle to the 45/70 Government, theres nothing on the planet a lever gun cannot handle. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. Hornady has a Superformance load with a 200-grain SP at 2910 f.p.s. While the .35 Remington was extremely popular when first introduced in the early 1900s, the cartridge has fallen out of mainstream use in recent years. Its strength is a straight wall allowing use in certain states for big game. 1.380" long that uses small rifle primers. We have V-MAX, Polymer Tip and Soft Point bullets for Hunting, Varmint and Small Game Hunting. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. lcw #12400267 11/15/17. Re: 35 Remington vs. 358 Winchester. . Bottles & 12-oz. Finally, Winchester had developed an autoloader powerful enough to truly be used on North American big game. I have a .356 Win. The 223 Remington has an overall length of 2.26 and uses a 1.76 long case. Of the Winchester cartridges, only the .30-30 Win. But in 2003 Remington decided to attempt a resurrection. I shoot the 200 grain Hornady interlock factory loads in mine. Mag. Because of its power and versatility, many generations of hunters from states as varied as Maine, North Carolina, Texas, and Georgia have successfully hunted deer, moose, bear, and hogs (like the one in the photo below) with the .35 Remington. In most factory loads, the .30-30 flies faster and employs more devastating bullets. Modern reloaders will have trouble finding .351 WSL brass But theres a reason the .30-30 has been around for the last 126 years. Federal loads the 225-grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2600 f.p.s. But when Winchester chambered the .358 the following year in its unique lever-action, the Model 88, it became a really interesting cartridge. The .350 Legend has some catching up to do if it wants to rival its 127-year-old predecessor. Just $1 per month . Because of its ability to retain velocity, the 160-grain LEVERevolution .30/30 load is also the hardest hitting for that cartridge; at 100 yards it is carrying 1643 foot-pounds of energy. Ill end with this idea: irrespective of whether you like the 350 Legend or not, Im glad to see that Winchester took the needs of those Midwestern deer hunters into consideration, and developed a cartridge just for them. My own 94 Winchester is coming out of the safe this year, freshly adorned with a new front sight and rear peep from Skinner Sights; even middle-aged eyes get a new lease on life, and Im having lots of fun from the bench with my old friend. Contrary to what Gen Z shooters might think, traditionally styled lever-action rifles are not just relics or a way to get your cowboy fix. up to 0.358 inches and dubbed it the poor mans magnum.. Remington continues to offer factory ammo, and its 200-grain factory load has a muzzle velocity of 2675 f.p.s., while the 250-grain loads muzzle velocity is 2400 f.p.s. Posts: 16,091. These seemingly small differences added up to a significant difference in power and effectiveness on game between the two cartridges. It has never failed me. Both cartridges are eminently shootable. If we compare the .300 Win. Following the sale of Remington Outdoor Company's assets in September 2020, Vista Outdoor purchased Remington Ammunition. In this article, Im going to conduct a detailed analysis of the .35 Remington in an effort to cut through some of the myths and misunderstandings out there regarding the capabilities of the cartridge so you can make an informed decision regarding whether or not you should hunt with one. The FTX bullet has a pointed, flexible, polymer tip that has a higher ballistic coefficient than the flat tipped or round nose bullets the cartridge normally uses. I have used this cartridge on moose with excellent results. Those traditional lead-core bullets have proved their worth in the field, but its tough to compete with the advancements in bullet-making of the last 20 years. was also the only cartridge of that original Remington family that was based on a different parent case. However, the biggest shortcoming in the cartridge is limited effective range. Winchester autoloaders of the time could not accommodate It is capable of driving a. If were being honest with ourselves, the majority of American hunters, especially in the south and northeast, will take only a handful of shots at big game at ranges past 100 yards in their lifetime. Winchester offered .351 WSL factory loads loaded with 180 grain jacketed soft point (JSP), round nose bullets. If zeroed at 200 yards, their 160-grain FTX .30/30 Winchester load will drop 12 inches at 300 yards. Soon after, the classic 150- and 170-grain loads took root, and due to the tubular magazines of so many popular rifles, round nose bullets were employed. The old timers that designed big cartridges like the 35 Remington knew what it took to kill big game like elk and moose not to mention deer in brush along river banks. of energy at 200 yards, dropping 7.5 inches when using a 100-yard zero. Mag. is still with us as well. Federal, for example, offers 12 varieties of the .30-30, including loads in their excellent Trophy Copper and HammerDown series. remember seeing it on Winchester's loading list when I was a teenager. It will handle black bears and feral hogsas will the .35 Remingtonbut sourcing ammunition is far easier if you own a good old thutty-thutty. The .35 Remington (8.9 x 49 mm) is the only remaining cartridge from Remington's lineup of medium-power rimless cartridges still in commercial production. The maximum load is 19.5 The muzzle velocity was stated to be 1850 fps and the muzzle energy 1370 ft. lbs. The .30/30 Win. However, even after 123 years on the market, the .30-30 Winchester remains the king of medium caliber lever guns; it has been in the top ten selling cartridges for Federal Premium to this day, and with millions of rifles out there chambered for the cartridge, that will probably be a fact decades from now. The company has chambered several rifles in the cartridge including models in bolt-action, pump-action and semi-automatic. as a way to boost the power of the Model 94 lever-action rifle. An experimental Thompson submachine gun was also made to fire .351 SL in 1919 but was never produced commercially. And, if youre going after elk- or moose-sized game, or are maybe afraid you might have to shoot it out with a brown bear, youll appreciate that bigger and heavier bullet. The .351 WSL did grab a bit of fame, first as a popular rifle for prison guards and then as one of the rifles used to punch a lot of holes in Bonnie and Clydes automobile (although that accolade is in question). Right now, I think that the Browning BLR lever-action rifle is the only production gun left on the market in .358 Win. 1907 Autoloading Rifle. If you were to vote for the .30-30 Winchester based on its higher Sectional Density valuesthe 170-grain .308 bullet has an S.D. 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